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Question موقع عبري يؤكّد أصل القذّافي اليهودي!


مساء اليوم 4 سبتمبر بينما كنت أتصفّح المقال الذي نشرته "ليبيا نيوز ليست" بالإنجليزيّة،والمعنون (التملّق الدولي للقذّافي رفع من روحه المعنويّة،وها هو اليوم يدعو إلى الإغتيال السّياسي) بقلم صحفي ألماني هو (ستيفان هوجل)،نشره في موقع (أخبار إسرائيل).

والمقال لا جديد فيه، وهو يروي زيارة الصحفي لليبيا ثلاث مرّات منذ أن استسلم القذّافي وسلّم المتهمين في عمليّة (لوكربي)،دون أن يفلح في مقابلته.

ثم يسرد سلسلة إنبطاحاته المعروفة،ليختم بأن ديكتاتورا مثل القذّافي يستحيل أن يتخلّى عن بطشه واضطهاده لحقوق الإنسان في بلاده،مذكّرا بتهديداته الأخيرة بسحق معارضيه في الدّاخل والخارج. إلاّ أنني إنطلقت مع الرّابط العبري الذي نُقل منه المقال،فوجدت نقاشا وجيزا للقرّاء الإسرائيليين برز منه حوار بين القارئة (راشيل) والآخر (جبرائيل) عندما ذكرت الأولى أن والدة القذّافي يهوديّة، فتحدّاها الثاني أن تؤكّد ذلك بالدليل. فردّت عليه بأنها سبق لها قراءة ذلك في صحيفة،ثمّ اهتدت إلى رابط أليكتروني تاريخي نشر سيرة القذّافي كاملة.

ومن جانبي سارعت إلى تخزين المادّة المتعلّقة بالسيرة الذاتيّة.قبل أن يجرى تضييعها. وفعلا كان حدسي صائبا،لأن الرّابط إختفى،وفشلت محاولاتي للعثور عليه مجدّدا. ولكن من حسن حظّ القرّاء أنني إستطعت إلتقاط الفقرة المتعلّقة بالأصل اليهودي (لعائشة بن نيران) والدة القذّافي،وفيما يلي الفقرة الإنجليزيّة كما وردت في بداية السيرة،وترجمتي لها،والتي تكاد تكون حرفيّة- مع غضّ النظر عن الخطأ في فترات تحصيله الدراسي ،حيث ذكر أنه تخرّج بتفوّق من الجامعة الليبيّة،رغم أنه لم يمض فيها سنتين!- والهدف من نشر الموضوع هو تعميم الفائدة. وتشجيع الدّارسي على مزيد من البحث..

Early history

Qaddafi was the youngest child from a nomadic Bedouin peasant family in the desert region of Sirte . His mother was a Jew converted to Islam at age nine. This technically makes Qaddafi Jewish according to Judaism. He was given a traditional religious primary education and attended the Sebha preparatory school in Fezzan from 1956 to 1961. Qaddafi and a small group of friends that he met in this school went on to form the core leadership of a militant revolutionary group that would eventually seize control of the country of Libya. Qaddafi's inspiration was Gamal Abdul Nasser, a popular statesman in neighboring Egypt who rose to the presidency by appealing to Arab unity and condemning the West. In 1961, Qaddafi was expelled from Sebha for his political activism.

He went on to attend the University of Libya, where he graduated with high grades. He then entered the Military Academy in Benghazi in 1963, where he and a few of his fellow militants organized a secretive group dedicated to overthrowing the pro-Western Libyan monarchy. After graduating in 1965, he was sent to Britain for further training, returning in 1966 .

السيرة الأوّليّة:

القذّافي هو الإبن البكر لعائلة بدويّة رعويّة من الرّيف الواقع في إقليم سرت الصحراوي. وقد كانت والدته يهوديّة إعتنقت الإسلام وعمرها تسع سنوات. وهذا يجعل القذّافي يهوديّا من الناحية الفنيّة،وذلك طبقا للديانة اليهوديّة. وقد تلقّى تعليمه الإبتدائي وفقا للطريقة الدينيّة التقليديّة،كما حضر الدّروس في مدرسة سبها الإعداديّة في فزّان في الفترة من 1956 إلى 1961.

وأخذ القذّافي ومعه فريق صغير من الأصدقاء في تكوين نواة للزعامة ضمن جماعة ثوريّة مقاتلة سوف يتسنّى لها السيطرة على دفّة الأمور في ليبيا. وكان الملهم للقذّافي هو جمال عبد الناصر – الزعيم الشعبي لمصر المجاورة،والذي صعد إلى الرئاسة عن طريق دعوته للوحدة العربيّة والتنديد بالغرب. وفي عام 1961 طُرد القذّافي من سبها بسبب نشاطه السياسي. وواصل دراسته في الجامعة الليبيّة،حيث نال درجة التخرّج بتفوّق. ثم انخرط في الكليّة العسكريّة في بنغازي عام 1963،حيث نظّم مع متشدّدين من رفاقه مجموعة سريّة أخذت على عاتقها الإطاحة بالنظام الملكي الليبي الموالي للغرب. وبعد تخرّجه عام 1965،أوفد إلى بريطانيا للمزيد من التدريب،وعاد عام 1966 .

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Muammar al-Qaddafi

Muammar Abu Minyar al-Qaddafi 1 (Arabic: معمر القذافي Mu`ammar al-Qadhdhāfī) (born 1942), leader of Libya since 1970 and a controversial Arab statesman.
Early history

Qaddafi was the youngest child from a nomadic Bedouin peasant family in the desert region of Sirte. His mother was a Jew converted to Islam at age nine. This technically makes Qaddafi Jewish according to Judaism. He was given a traditional religious primary education and attended the Sebha preparatory school in Fezzan from 1956 to 1961. Qaddafi and a small group of friends that he met in this school went on to form the core leadership of a militant revolutionary group that would eventually seize control of the country of Libya. Qaddafi's inspiration was Gamal Abdul Nasser, a popular statesman in neighboring Egypt who rose to the presidency by appealing to Arab unity and condemning the West. In 1961, Qaddafi was expelled from Sebha for his political activism.

He went on to attend the University of Libya, where he graduated with high grades. He then entered the Military Academy in Benghazi in 1963, where he and a few of his fellow militants organized a secretive group dedicated to overthrowing the pro-Western Libyan monarchy. After graduating in 1965, he was sent to Britain for further training, returning in 1966 as a commissioned officer in the Signal Corps.
Islamic Socialism and Pan Arabism

Qaddafi based his new regime on a blend of Arab nationalism, aspects of the welfare state and what Qaddafi termed "direct, popular democracy." He called this system "Islamic socialism" and while he permitted private control over small companies, the government controlled the larger ones. Welfare, liberation and education were emphasized. He also imposed a system of conservative morals, outlawing alcohol and gambling. To reinforce the ideals of this socialist state, Qaddafi outlined his political philosophy in his Green Book, published in 1976. In practice, however, Libya's political system is thought to be somewhat less idealistic and from time to time Qaddafi has responded to domestic and external opposition with violence. His revolutionary committees called for the assassination of Libyan dissidents living abroad in February 1980, with Libyan hit squads sent abroad to murder them.

President Josip Broz Tito (blue uniform) and Qaddafi (brown uniform)

With respect to Libya's neighbors, Qaddafi followed Abdul Nasser's ideas of pan-Arabism and became a fervent advocate of the unity of all Arab states into one Arab nation. He also supported pan-Islamism, the notion of a loose union of all Islamic countries and peoples. After Nasser's death on September 28 1970, Qaddafi attempted to take up the mantle of ideological leader of Arab nationalism. He proclaimed the "Federation of Arab Republics" (Libya, Egypt and Syria) in 1972, hoping to create a pan-Arab state, but the three countries disagreed on the specific terms of the merger. In 1974 he signed an agreement with Tunisia's Habib Bourguiba on a merger between the two countries, but this also failed to work in practice and ultimately differences between the two countries would deteriorate into strong animosity.

Qaddafi also became a strong supporter of the Palestine Liberation Organization, which ultimately harmed Libya's relations with Egypt when in 1979 Egypt pursued a peace agreement with Israel. As Libya's relations with Egypt worsened, Qaddafi sought closer relations with the Soviet Union. Libya became the first country outside the Soviet bloc to receive the supersonic MiG-25 combat fighters, but their relations remained relatively distant. Qaddafi also sought to increase Libyan influence, especially in states with an Islamic population, by calling for the creation of a Saharan Islamic state and supporting anti-government forces in sub-Saharan Africa.

Notable in his politics has been the support for liberation movements, in most cases Muslim groups. In the 1970s and the 1980s this support was sometimes so freely given that even the most unsympathetic groups could get Libyan support. Often the groups represented ideologies far away from Qaddafi's own. Through these politics (or rather lack of politics), Qaddafi confused the world. Throughout the 1970s, his regime was implicated in subversion and terrorist activities in both Arab and non-Arab countries. By the mid-1980s, he was widely regarded in the West as the principal financier of international terrorism. Reportedly, Qaddafi is to have been a major financier of the "Black September Movement" which perpetrated the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre, and is accused by the United States to be responsible for the direct control of the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing that killed 3 people and wounded more than 200 others, of which a substantial number were U.S. servicemen.
He is also said to have paid "Carlos the Jackal" to kidnap and release several of the Saudi Arabian and Iranian oil ministers when it fit his purposes to do so.
External relations

Tensions between Libya and the West reached a peak during the Ronald Reagan administration, which tried to overthrow Qaddafi. In 1984 a British policewoman, PC Yvonne Fletcher, was shot outside the Libyan Embassy in London, while policing a demonstration against Muammar al-Qaddafi. A burst of machine-gun fire from within the building was always suspected of killing her, but the Libyan diplomats asserted their diplomatic immunity and were repatriated. The incident led to the breaking-off of diplomatic relations between the UK and Libya.

The Reagan administration saw Libya as an unacceptable player on the international stage because of its uncompromising stance on Palestinian independence, its support for revolutionary Iran in its 1980-1988 war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq (see Iran-Iraq War), and its backing for "liberation movements" in the developing world. In March 1982 the U.S. declared a ban on the import of Libyan oil and the export to Libya of US oil industry technology; Europe did not follow suit.

The U.S. attacked Libyan patrol boats from January to March 1986 during clashes over access to the Gulf of Sidra, which Libya claimed as territorial waters. Later, on April 14, 1986, Reagan ordered major bombing raids, dubbed Operation El Dorado Canyon, against Tripoli and Benghazi that killed 60 people following U.S. accusations of Libyan involvement in a bomb explosion in a German nightclub frequented by U.S. servicemen on April 5, which had killed 3. Among the victims of the April 14 attack was the adopted daughter of the Libyan leader.

For most of the 1990s, Libya endured economic sanctions and diplomatic isolation as a result of Qaddafi's refusal to allow the extradition to the United States or Britain of two Libyans accused of planting a bomb on Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. With the intercession of South African President Nelson Mandela, who made a high-profile visit to Qaddafi in 1997, and U.N Secretary-General Kofi Annan, Qaddafi agreed in 1999 to a compromise that involved handing over the defendants to the Netherlands for trial under Scottish law. U.N.-sponsored sanctions were suspended, but U.S. sanctions against Libya remained in force.

In October 1993 there was an unsuccessful attempt on Qaddafi's life by 2,000 members of the army, in May 1994 Libyan troops withdrew from Chad after a territorial dispute that began in 1973, returning to the original borders, and in July 1996 bloody riots followed a football match as a protest against Qaddafi.
A new Qaddafi?

From the mid-1990s, Qaddafi managed to improve his connections among Middle Eastern nations and is today considered a much more moderate and responsible leader in the Arab world than he had been. With regards to Palestine, he has begun pushing the concept of a binational single-state solution, called "Isratine", a combination of the Arabic words for Israel and Palestine.

Simultaneously, Qaddafi has also emerged as a popular African leader. As one of the continent's longest-serving, post-colonial head of state, the Libyan leader enjoys a reputation among many Africans as an experienced and wise statesman who has been at the forefront of many struggles over the years. Qaddafi has earned the praise of Nelson Mandela and others, and is always a prominent figure in various pan-African organizations, such as the Organization of African Unity. He is also seen by many Africans as a humanitarian, pouring large amounts of money into sub-Saharan states. Large numbers of Africans have come to Libya to take advantage of the avalablility of jobs there. In addition, many more, primarily from Somalia and Ghana move through Libya as a means to reach Italy and other European countries.

Qaddafi also appears to be struggling to improve his image in the West. Following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Qaddafi offered one of the first, and firmest denunciations of the Al-Qaida bombers by any Muslim leader. In 2002, he publicly apologized for the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, and offered to pay compensation to the victims' families. Qaddafi also appeared on ABC for an open interview with George Stephanopoulos, a move that would have seemed unthinkable less than a decade ago.

There are many explanations for the change of Qaddafi's politics. The most obvious is that the once very rich Libya was no longer strong through the 1990s, since oil prices have dropped significantly. Qaddafi needs other countries more than before, and cannot hand out as much as he once could. Another possibility is that strong Western reactions have forced Qaddafi into changing his politics. But more important is that realpolitik changed Qaddafi. His ideals and aims did not materialize: there never was any Arab unity, the various armed revolutionary organizations he supported did not achieve their goals, and the demise of the Soviet Union left Qaddafi's main symbolic target, the United States, stronger than ever.

Following the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by US forces in 2003, Qaddafi announced that his nation had an active weapons of mass destruction program, but was willing to allow international inspectors into his country to observe and dismantle them. The threat posed by WMD programs violating non-proliferation treaty responsibilities had been cited by US President George W. Bush as one of his leading reasons for invading Iraq, and it is believed that after Saddam's downfall Qaddafi feared for the future of his own regime if he continued to keep and conceal the weapons. Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi was quoted as saying that Qaddafi had privately phoned him, admitting as much.

International inspectors turned up several thousand tonnes of chemical weaponry in Libya, as well as an active nuclear weapons program. The process of destroying the weapons continues, and Libya has improved its cooperation with international monitoring regimes.

In March 2004, British prime minister Tony Blair became one of the first western leaders in decades to visit Libya and publicly meet Qaddafi. Blair praised Qaddafi's recent acts, and stated that he hoped Libya could now be a strong ally in the international war on terrorism.

A major obstacle to improving relations is now the trial of Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor, who were arrested and eventually sentenced to death after an HIV outbreak in Benghazi. The international view is that Libya has used the medics as scapegoats for poor hygiene conditions, and Bulgaria and other countries including the European Union and the United States have repeatedly called on Tripoli to release them. As of 2005, the case remains unresolved, and is the source of increasing tensions with Bulgaria, as well as an obstacle to continuing the process of improved relations with the West.
Personal

Qaddafi has eight children, seven of them sons. His oldest son, Muhammad Qaddafi, is by a wife now in disfavor, but runs the Libyan Olympic Committee. The next eldest Al-Saadi Qaddafi, runs the Libyan Football Federation, plays for Italian Serie A team Perugia, and produces films. The third eldest, Saif al-Islam Qaddafi, a painter, runs a charity which has been involved in negotiating freedom for hostages taken by Islamic militants. His only daughter is Ayesha Qaddafi, a lawyer who has joined the defense team of Saddam Hussein. All have been speculated to be possible successors. Three more sons, Al Moatassim, Hannibal, and Khamees, are less prominent. (In September 2004, Hannibal was involved in a police chase in Paris.) One adopted daughter was killed in the 1986 US air raid.

In January 2002, Qaddafi purchased a 7.5% share of Italian football club Juventus for USD 21 million, through Lafico ("Libyan Arab Foreign Investment Company"). Though an avid soccer fan, this more importantly continued a longstanding association with the late Gianni Agnelli, the primary investor in Fiat. Qaddafi has also become involved in chess: in March 2004, FIDE, the game's world governing body, announced that he would be providing prize money for their next World Championship, to be held in June-July 2004 in Tripoli.
Quotation

"Ronald Reagan plays with fire! He sees the world like the theater".

"Irrespective of the conflict with America, it is a human duty to show sympathy with the American people and be with them at these horrifying and awesome events which are bound to awaken human conscience." — September 11, 2001
Spelling

Qaddafi's name has been transliterated in a wide variety of ways. The list below includes the alternatives listed on the Library of Congress name authority record:

* Qaddafi, Muammar (preferred)
* Al-Gathafi, Muammar
* al-Qadhafi, Muammar
* Al Qathafi, Mu'ammar
* Al Qathafi, Muammar
* El Gaddafi, Moamar
* El Kadhafi, Moammar
* El Kazzafi, Moamer
* El Qathafi, Mu'Ammar
* Gadafi, Muammar
* Gaddafi, Moamar
* Gadhafi, Mo'ammar
* Gathafi, Muammar
* Ghadafi, Muammar
* Ghaddafi, Muammar
* Ghaddafy, Muammar
* Gheddafi, Muammar
* Gheddafi, Muhammar
* Kadaffi, Momar
* Kad'afi, Mu`amar al-
* Kaddafi, Muamar
* Kaddafi, Muammar
* Kadhafi, Moammar
* Kadhafi, Mouammar
* Kazzafi, Moammar
* Khadafy, Moammar
* Khaddafi, Muammar
* Moamar al-Gaddafi
* Moamar el Gaddafi
* Moamar El Kadhafi
* Moamar Gaddafi
* Moamer El Kazzafi
* Mo'ammar el-Gadhafi
* Moammar El Kadhafi
* Mo'ammar Gadhafi
* Moammar Kadhafi
* Moammar Khadafy
* Moammar Qudhafi
* Mu`amar al-Kad'afi
* Mu'amar al-Kadafi
* Muamar Al-Kaddafi
* Muamar Kaddafi
* Muamer Gadafi
* Muammar Al-Gathafi
* Muammar al-Khaddafi
* Mu'ammar al-Qadafi
* Mu'ammar al-Qaddafi
* Muammar al-Qadhafi
* Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi
* Mu`ammar al-Qadhdhāfī
* Mu'ammar Al Qathafi
* Muammar Al Qathafi
* Muammar Gadafi
* Muammar Gaddafi
* Muammar Ghadafi
* Muammar Ghaddafi
* Muammar Ghaddafy
* Muammar Gheddafi
* Muammar Kaddafi
* Muammar Khaddafi
* Mu'ammar Qadafi
* Muammar Qaddafi
* Muammar Qadhafi
* Mu'ammar Qadhdhafi
* Muammar Quathafi
* Mulazim Awwal Mu'ammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Qadhafi
* Qadafi, Mu'ammar
* Qadhafi, Muammar
* Qadhdhāfī, Mu`ammar
* Qathafi, Mu'Ammar el
* Quathafi, Muammar
* Qudhafi, Moammar

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تعرفوا يا جماعة انقوللكم حاجة

والله الله لما نقرا ان القذافي اصله ايهودي

قسما بالله يصخفوني اليهود اللي ينسبوا في هذا ال*** ليهم

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حوار حول أصل القذّافي اليهودي


أثار المقال الذي نشره الزميل مهدي السيّد على هذا الموقع الوطني والمتعلّق بما تداولته مواقع عالميّة عديدة عن أصل القذّافي اليهودي من ناحية والدته، أثار نقاشات مازالت مستمرّة بين قرّاء متنوّعين في أنحاء العالم. وقد أضافت (ليبيا المستقبل) إلى المادّة في عددها بتاريخ 7 سبتمبر الحالي موضوعا ظهر على موقع (روجيرلسيمون) منقولا عن موقع (بيجاماس ميديا) وهو عبارة عن حوار جرى بين القرّاء ومعظمهم من اليهود. ولأنه من المهمّ معرفة كيف يفكّرون في هذا الموضوع، والطريقة التي يتناولونها به فيما بينهم، كان من الضروري تلخيص معاني هذا الحوار مترجمة إلى العربيّة، دون تعليق، ليطّلع عليه قرّاءنا الليبيّون الذين لا يعرفون الإنجليزيّة مع ملاحظة القبّعات التي اختاروها من لباس القذّافي):

هل تبدو كيهودي أم لا؟

May 17, 2006: But you don't look Jewish)or maybe you do)

الخبر الذي ظهر في 17 مايو 2006 جاء من متابعة أحد المحرّرين لتعليق ظهر على موقع أمريكي كوميدي معروف في الأوساط الإليكترونيّة،والذي قاد إلى الإكتشاف المذهل، وهو أن والدة معمّر القذّافي يهوديّة الأصل (ثمّ كرّر سيرة مولده كما نشرناه في المقال الأوّل) وتساءل: إن كان هذا صحيحا، فهو يقدّم تأملات عميقة في بعض تصرّفات القذّافي، ومع عدم الرّغبة في التعمّق في الموضوع، يشار إلى أن أحد أبنائه حاول الإلتقاء بممثّلة إسرائيليّة.

Sheryl followed a link from Pajamas Media this morning, which lead to a comment posted on Beautiful Atrocities, which lead to the astonishing revelation that Moammar Qadaffi had a Jewish Mother, at least according to this biography: Qaddafi was the youngest child from a nomadic Bedouin peasant family in the desert region of Sirte. His mother was a Jew who converted to Islam at age nine. This technically makes Qaddafi Jewish according to Judaism.

Is this true? I have no idea (but I imagine there are those who do). It does provide some insight into some of Qadaffi’s strange behaviour, but I don’t really want to go there. (One of his sons is apparently dating an Israeli actress.)

هل هناك أي فرق عضوي في المظهر بين شخص عربي وآخر يهودي، إذا كانت عائلة هذا الشخص لم تغادر الشرق الأوسط؟ وأنا أعتقد أن غالبيتهم تتشابه في الجينات.

Is there any difference in physical appearance between an Arab and a Jew whose family never left the middle east? I imagine they share the huge majority of their genes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 17, 2006 09:11 AM

لقد سمعت عن اليهودي الذي يكره اليهود، ولكن هذا في حالات نادرة.. وأقلّ ما يقال أنه من الصدمات النفسيّة أن يكون القذّافي له أصل يهودي، وهو ما قد يشرح كثيرا من الأشياء. وربّما سيعمل هو الآن على التخلّص من إرثه..

I’ve heard of self hating Jews---but this is truly an extreme case. At the very minimum, it is mind blowing to learn that Moammar Qadaffi might be part Jewish. It could explain a lot of things. He may have been going out of his way to disown his heritage.

Posted by: David Thomson at May 17, 2006 10:58 AM

ما أورده موقع آخر عن أصل والدته واعتناقها للإسلام من شأنه أن يثير التقزّز.

Interesting, but how is "absoluteastronomy.com" a reliable source for Arab geneologies? "His mother was a Jew who converted to Islam at age nine." That has a familiar, distasteful ring ...

Posted by: exmaple at May 17, 2006 11:42 AM

It may be apocryphal, but there is a bio circulating on the web which says Qaddafi was the youngest child from a nomadic Bedouin peasant family in the desert region of Sirte. His mother was a Jew converted to Islam at age nine. This technically makes Qaddafi Jewish according to Judaism. This bio is exactly the same as the Wikipedia entry, which omits only that crucial detail

Another source attributes this info to Hilaire du Berrier, but not sure if that's true


Posted by: beautifulatrocities at May 17, 2006 11:48 AM

لماذا بحق الأله تريد ممثّلة إسرائليّة (مع إفتراض أنها يهوديّة وليست من عرب إسرائيل) أن تلتقي مع أحد (فروخ القذّافي)؟

Why on earth would an Israeli actress (assuming she's Jewish, not Arab) want to date Qadaffi's spawn?

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at May 17, 2006 04:59 PM

Michael, "I report. You decide." Roger

Posted by: Roger at May 17, 2006 05:36 PM

قد يكون القذّافي يهوديّا مثل نوام شومسكي (فيلسوف أمريكي معاصر يهودي ولكن معادي لإسرائيل) ومن السخريات أن يكونا متشابهين..

Khaddafi (many spellings upon him!)is as jewish as Noam Chomsky! The lunacy they have in common makes it self-evident...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 17, 2006 07:49 PM

عندما تقول أن قوانين اليهوديّة ربّما تجعل القذّافي احدا منّنا، هل تعني بذلك قانون العودة؟

When you say that the laws of Judaism may make Qadaffi one of us, does that include Israel's Law of Return?

Posted by: carlzr at May 18, 2006 07:51 AM

بالطّبع القذّافي لن ينتقل إلى إسرائيل في فترة قريبة، حتى إذا أراد ذلك،فهناك إستثناءات في قانون
العودة. ماير لينسكي (وهو رجل عصابات أمريكي شهير لجأ لإسرائيل لحماية نفسه) لم يرحّب به
إستنكارا لأفعاله غير الخلقيّة.

Khaddafy of course will not be moving to Israel any time soon, even if he wanted to. There are exceptions to the Law of Return. Meyer Lansky was told he was not welcome, as a moral reprobate.

In any case, Khaddafy is not halachically Jewish. Even if his mother was born Jewish, by converting, she abrogated her connection with Israel, and her children would share only genetics with us, not ethnicity.

It's a shame in a way that we need to make excuses for a Chomsky, but a gentleman like Barry Goldwater was only a could-have-been. But intermarriage is not solely a modern phenomenon, and it is more likely than not that non-Jewish families today have some Jewish ancestry.

Posted by: benwolf at May 18, 2006 08:29 AM

في كلّ الأحوال القذّافي ليس يهوديّا بالمفهوم التوراتي، حتى ولو ولدت أمّه كيهوديّة، لأنها بتغييرها لديانتها تكون قد قطعت صلتها بإسرائيل، وهكذا فأبناؤها يشاركوننا الخلايا الجينيّة، ولكن ليس الأصل.

In any case, Khaddafy is not halachically Jewish. Even if his mother was born Jewish, by converting, she abrogated her connection with Israel, and her children would share only genetics with us, not ethnicity.

هذا خطأ، لأن إعتناق دين آخر يجرّد اليهودي من الصفة التلموديّة، ويجعله مرتدّا، ولكن يبقيه على يهوديّته كاملا. ولهذا إذا ما ولدت أمّه كيهوديّة يكون هو كذلك .. وما عليه إلاّ أن يخاطب غريزة البعض منّا لكي يتخلّى عن والدته، ولكن على افتراض أن لديها فرصة لتفعل ذلك، فهي سوف تقبل كعضو كامل العضويّة في الطائفة اليهوديّة كونها ولدت (الطفل معمّر).

This is false. By “converting” a Jew attainst the halachic status of an apostate but remains completely Jewish. So, if his mother was born a Jew then so was he.

Granted, it is viscerally appealing for some of us to “disown” mother Muammar but she still has the opportunity to renounce her apostasy and, assuming that she does so, be accepted as an integral member of the Jewish community. Ditto Baby Muammar.

Posted by: Camp Runamok at May 18, 2006 11:01 AM

فلنكن صرحاء، في حالة قيام القذّافي بزيارة إيران فعليه أن يرتدي ثيابا خاصة، حتى يعرف السكّان أنه ولد من أم يهوديّة، ولذلك فهو قذر.. يا للهول، وكم قاسيا أن تكون من الأقليّة.!

So let’s get this straight: should Quadiffi visit Iran, he’d have to wear a special clothing marker, to let the locals know he was born of a Jewish mother, and is thereby “dirty?” Wow, it sure is tough to be a minority.

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